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Does anyone know anything about this group? We get their flyers ALL the time (and they're posted everywhere).
They seem really oriented towards fearmongering (latest flyer: "FIRE on the Top of Bernal Hill?").
Thanks.
They seem really oriented towards fearmongering (latest flyer: "FIRE on the Top of Bernal Hill?").
Thanks.
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They are a neighborhood watch group-- hence the safety-oriented flyers.
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I think you mis-judge us. If you have a better idea about how go about communicating our issues and recruiting folks - then I am open to suggestions.
Elsie Street Neighbors started a year ago when a developer wanted to develop a vacant lot and build a driveway across the Elsie Street Walkway (the walkway between Vriginia and 160 Elsie below the retaining wall). The developer did a secrete meeting in the middle of Augtust before DPW and tried to sneak thru an encroachment permit that wold allow him to take the public walkway for his driveway. 12 neighborsa organized and turned out to city hall at 9 AM on a weekday to fight aginst this move. We had the meeting continued to September and we lost. The same hearing officer who presided over the hearing this week about street sweeping, approved the permit and suggested that the developer meet with us. We tried to negotiate with him and he ignored our requests for less concrete, more green space, planing and lights along the walkway and a solution to the poor drainage in the area. He claimed he was giving the neighborhood a ramp that would allow those who were mobility impaired to use the sidewalk.
We appealed the project to the Dept of City Planning and lost to the developer who lied to the planning commission. We were able to get DPW to address our concerns about damage to the retaining wall and drainage by requing the developer to provide the city a detailed construction plan before he can begin building. Currently the project is in limbo, but we expect it to come back.
We have also been working on getting better traffic safety signs posted to slow people down on Elsie Street and to reduce one way drivers. We got the city to do a speed survey on the street and fround that most of the cars that travel over the street exceed the speed limit. Elsie is one way, North bound and is the only way for some folks to get drive to Cesear Chavez and downtown because Bonview is a dead end and Winfield the next street over is one way South from Coso to Esmeralda.
Several members of the group who had attended the large community safety meeting at the neighborhood center suggested that we have SAFE come in and present their program. There had been some mail box thefts, car break-ins and some armed robberies in the immediate area. We invited safe in to learn what they could do and had them make several presentations on personal safety and home security practices. We also learned that neighbors had called the police when there were parties or crimes committed in the walkways from Elsie to the top of Berna, or on Esmeralda between Prospect and Winfield and on Eugenia between Winfield and Prospect. These area have no addresses and are stairways. When neighbors called the Police Diepatch, the dsipatchers did not know where the location they were complaing about was located - so they sent the police car to the neighbors homes. So we had the person who was the head of the Police and Fire Dispatch (911) come out to see these locations and make sure their computers were programmed to handle these locations. We also met with Ingleside Police officers and asked them ro famaliarize themselves with these areas so they knew where they were.
The concern about fire on the top of the hill was raised by neighbors who were concerned about people using fireworks in the grass and raodway at the top of the hill. We wanted to know if the Fire Deparment had a plan to fight a fire on top of the hill (they do not), we also wanted the fire department to inspect the area to determine if it is a fire hazard and make recommendations about what can be done to reduce the fire risk?
We do not claim to represent anyone other than those who come to the meeting. We have developed a phone and e-mail list to notify our neighbors when something happens.. Three months ago, when PG&E was digging up the street to replace the gas mains, a neighbors gas heater in their garage exploded in flames. Alert Neigthbors call the Fire Department and called the neighbor at work to notify him of the problem.
We also negotiated with PG&E to let neighbors put their name and phone number on the dash of their cars to avoid having their cars towed during construction.
And we support the neighbors of the surrounding streets to get togher and decide their concerns and get action to solve them. What is so wrong about that? We are a democratic and open group. If you have concerns about something we are doing - come to a meeting a put your suggestions into the mix. -
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Again, nothing against neighborhoods (and wanting to improve them), or safety. It's the fearmongering.
I get flyers all the time telling me about ALL THE CRIME WITHIN 1000 FEET OF *MY* HOME, but the crimes are actually occurring mostly on Mission Street (there's almost no crime, say, 500 feet from my home). Not to deny the existance of crime on the Hill, but I don't find the scare tactics to be motivating. -
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(1) Do you think the Elsie Street Neighbors put out flyers that are:
[ ] maniplulative and use fear to get people involved?
[ ] were the maps and charts about crime within 1500 feet of Elsie and Esmeralda useful?
[ ] were the maps and charts about crime NOT USEFUL?
(2) Have you ever attended a meeting of the Elsie Street Neighbors? [ ] Yes [ ] No
(a) Was anything accomplished [ } Yes [ ] NO
(b) Was it a waste of time [ ] Yes [ ] NO
(c) Would you go to another meeting of the group [ ] Yes { } NO
(3) Do you think the Elsie Street Neighbors are:
[ ] working to make the neighborhood a safet and nicer place for all to live.
[ ] a cult.
[ ] a bunch of paranoid, right wing nuts
[ ] racists
[ ] busy bodies
[ ] have too much time on their hands and need to get a life and leave the rest of us alone.
[ ] Other (your comments here):
(4) What do you think are our most important problems (please rank each item in order of importance to you):
[ ] Speeding cars
[ ] Not enough parking places
[ ] Neighborhood is dirty and we need more street sweeping.
[ ] Construction, blockiing streets, taking away parking, noise, etc.
[ ] Fire
[ ] A stop sign at ______________ and ________________.
[ ] Non-existent city services (Police, Fire, DPW, etc.). When you call them they never come.
[ ] The neighborhood is fine - leave it alone - there are no problems.
[ ] Crime
[ ] Get rid of cars. Walk, ride bicycles and take public transportation.
[ ] Other (What is your pet peeve about the neighborhood) ________________________________________________________
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Comments and other suggestions????
Peace...
charles
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The fire danger on the fourth of July on Bernal hill is a serious issue.
Several years ago, fireworks set the top to the hill on fire, burning much of the brush in the park.
In the early '90's, a bottle rocket landed between the peaks of 2 Victorians on Montezuma, setting them on fire. One of the houses burned to the ground. -
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Fire on the Hill???
07/28This morning we met with the Fire Marshall of the SF Fire Department to walk Bernal Hill regarding fire danger on the hill to the homes below the public land. What we learned follows:
(1) Home owners are required under the Public Works code to maintain their property so that it is not a fire hazard, however, there is no such requirement on City Lands.
(2) The Open Space at the toip of the hill is owned by:
(a) Park and Recretion owns the land above Bernal Heights Blvd. The Antenna Complex at the top of the hill is owned by American Towers - they lease facilities for wireless access to cell phones and others.
(b) The area below Bernal Heights Blvd is owned by DPW, the Water Department and various property owners. The city will have to research this ownership.
(3) There are locations where homeless people camp along the flank of the hill between BernaL Heights Blvd and Ripley Street, Stoneman and Bonview, Elsie and Bonview on the South Side. Periodically, the peole who live on these border streets have been burglarized from the back and perodically have people throw rocks at the rear of their homes from the top of the hill.
(4) There are suppose to be lock boxes at the Folsom and Anderson Gates, but the Fire Marshall looked for these lock boxes and could not find them. A lock box is a sturdy, combination controlled vault with key to the gate for Police, Fire Department and other city agencies. to access the hill. What would happen if there was a fire on the top of the hill - the Fire Dept would cut the locks with bolt cutters.????
(5) The Fire Department has no plans on how to fight a fire on top of the hill. They would just go in and fight the fire.
(6) There are 6 Fire Hydrants along the South Side of Bernal Heights Blvd, there are none along the rest of the Boulevard around the hill.
(7) Park and Recreation, DPW and other city departments do not have the resources to inspect fire hazard areas like Bernal Hill and have the area cleaned of dead wood, flamable trash, etc.; bushes cut back and tree limbs trimmed.
On August 15th at 7:30 PM, there will be a community meeting at the BH NHC on Cortland (across from the library) to meet with the Fire Marshall, a representative from Supervisor Tom Ammiano's office, Park and Recreation Director and someone from DPW to discuss this issue and look for a solution.
The Elsie Street Neighbors are proposing the following:
(1) Fire Deparment, SF Police, Park and Recreation, DPW, etc, representatives inspect the hill with interested neighbors to identify:
(a) Homeless encampments.
(b) Overgrown areas that need to be cut back by cutting back bushes, trimming trees and removing dead tree limbs and other flamable debris.
(c) Cutting back dry grass areas that exceed 18 inches in height.
(d) And identifying high priority locations that require the city to take action.
(2) Create a neighborhood committee composed of folks from the affected properties along the boundary strreets and other stake holders to review plans to implement fire safety program on the hill and insure that the City does'nt do something crazy like cut down all the trees.
(3) Develop a plan with the Police and Social Agencies in the area to address the homeless encampment problem.
(4) To work with the City and Supervisor Ammiano's office to get the resoulces to address these issues. Explore how to work with Project 20 (Persons required by the Courts to do public service in lieu of jail time), summer youth employment, etc. to obtain the people needed to clean the area. Also organize work parties by neighbors.
(5) Other issues and solutions from the community at large.
Tell your neighbors. Adverfise the meeting. Get involved and share your ideas. Attend the meeting and speak out.
Cordially,
Charles Bolton
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