I saw a notice of permit issued to Home Depot on the Goodman Lumber parking lot fence, on Bayshore Blvd. I haven't heard anything in a long time. is it a done deal?
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Re: Home Depot permit issued?
Mon, December 31, 2007 - 10:53 AMI haven't heard anything about it. What are the reasons people are opposed to it? Aside from parking and traffic issues? I'm on the opposite side of the hill so none of that would really directly affect me.
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Wed, January 2, 2008 - 5:20 PMI believe a big concern is that there are a lot of nearby stores on bayshore that have been there for many years, supplying carpet, flooring, plants, lumber, etc that would be put out of business by the competition of home depot. -
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Wed, January 2, 2008 - 8:24 PMPeople along Cortland St are worried about increased traffic. Cole Hardware on Mission St. is worried about the competition. And many people oppose big box stores in SF generally.
For decades, Goodman's was a huge home improvement store on the very site of the new Home Depot. Some other home improvement stores along Bayshore have supported Home Depot coming in, because it will bring customers back to Bayshore. -
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 1:46 PMRegarding Goodman's in that exact spot...I miss that store. What's really the difference between Goodman's there or Home Depot? The big name? -
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 2:17 PMGoodman's belonged to a brother and a sister who had a falling out-- so the sister shut down the store. At least that is my recollection why it closed.
The Bayshore Home Depot will be larger than Goodman's, and it's a big chain, but otherwise they're similar. -
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 1:11 PMThe Home Depot store will be far larger than the previous Goodman's. They plan to combine 4 lots, making it about 4 to 5 times larger than Goodman's, the largest Home Depot in California, and one of the largest in the nation I'm told.
As to traffic concerns, Cortland Avenue will become unusable because so many people will be cutting across town using it. Look at what few alternatives there are: Taking Cesar Chavez and then using that hairpin turn to get under the freeway, or going south and taking Alemany. There really is no good way to get to it from either the northern or western parts of the city without taking some convoluted and scary offramp.
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 6:19 PMAccording to this article, the old Goodman's was 157,500 square feet:
findarticles.com/p/article...i_63541014
According to the Chronicle, the new Home Depot will be 153,000 square feet:
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
The Bayshore Home Depot will be only slightly larger than the average size of a Home Depot, which is 140,000 square feet::
www.bizjournals.com/eastbay/...ory1.html -
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 7:07 PMSorry, the new Home Depot on Bayshore was reduced in size from 153,000 to 140,000 square feet by the SF Planning Commission.
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 6:47 PM"4 to 5 times larger than Goodman's, the largest Home Depot in California"
According to the city of East Palo Alto, the Home Depot there is 245,000 square feet, 60% larger than the size of the proposed Bayshore Home Depot:
www.ci.east-palo-alto.ca.us/econ....html -
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 7:00 PMA neighbor said she thought one of Home Depots concessions is to have the entrance / exit on a rear street, not Bayshore, to help traffic on Bayshore. Has anyone else heard this?
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 8:11 PMWow,someone who does their homework... a rarity on tribe. Congrats on cutting through the BS and citing your sources. -
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 8:42 PMThanks, Marc.
I had remembered that Home Depot has agreed to reduce the size of its store, but forgot how much-- after it agreed to reduce the size of the store to 140,000 square feet at the Planning Commission, it reduced the size of the store again, to just 107,000 square feet, to get approval from the Board of Supervisors:
www.ebar.com/news/article.php
David, where did you get your info? Obviously, a 107,000 square foot Home Depot on Bayshore is much smaller than the 245,000 square foot Home Depot in East Palo Alto-- and substantially smaller than the Goodman's and the Whole Earth warehouse that the Home Depot replaces.
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Re: Home Depot permit issued? How will Home Depot affect our neighborhood and your quality of life?
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 10:37 PM11 Years ago, we had three privately owned pharmacies in the area. One on Cortland, one at Precita and Mission and one on Valencia.
Then the Chain Drug Store came in at the corner of 30th and Mission. And then one by one, the small mom and pop stores that had served the neighborhood for years folded. When the character is gone on Cortland and after Cole Hardware closes, then all the folks who thought it was not a big deal or that they would not be impacted will be complaining and it will be too late to do anything.
Some folks have done something, they have filed a petition before the Board of Appeals (Board of Permit Appeals) to stop the permit. The construction permit was issued on 09/25/2007 and was suspended on 10/12/2007. There is suppose to be a hearing on this matter on Jan 16th at 5:00 PM in Room 416, City Hall. You can call 575-6800 (Board of Appeals) for more information.
Home Depot sold the project on the basis that folks in Bayview and Bernal would get 150 jobs. However, it appears that Home Depot would only promise the jobs at that store to folks in the neighborhood. If they really wanted to provide jobs, they could start hiring folks now for all of their stores. Also ask yourself the following questions?
(1) How many of those jobs are part time? What do they pay? And do the folks working get medical insurance?
(2) How much traffic do you want on Cortland? Regardless of what they claim about plans to reduce traffic impact, there will be more traffic on Cortland?
(3) Cole Hardware on Mission has supported our community for years. Will you care when the close because they can not compete with Home Depot? Cheap prices have a cost and the cost is they drive out the mom and pop stores.
(4) As the construction related business close down along Bay Shore there will be more pressure to develop that area. How long before other Big Box stores come into the zone and how will that impact Bernal Village?
(5) And what is to stop Home Depot from expanding later?
The only reason the size of the store was reduced to 107,000 from 153,000 square feet was because of the battle put up by Bernal Heigh's activists. The parking structure was reduced from 3 stores to 2.
So the quality of life you save may be your own. What do you want Bernal to be in 5 or 10 years? Take action and make sure that Home Depot lives up to their promises.
Cordially,
Charles Bolton
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Re: Home Depot permit issued? How will Home Depot affect our neighborhood and your quality of life?
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:49 PMCharles, I appreciate your work over the years in the community, but I think the fears are somewhat overblown.
I don't see much of a need for the Bayshore Home Depot-- with so many big box home improvement stores just to the south-- but it is hyperbole to predict that the Bayshore Home Depot will mean "the character is gone on Cortland." The claims made by some that the Home Depot will be of unprecedented size are clearly false. And the deal Home Depot made with the Board of Supervisors to reduce the store's size dramatically, to 107,000 square, makes it very unlikely that Home Depot would get permission to expand the store anytime soon.
If the Home Depot is smaller than the Goodman's it replaces, why would its impact be that much greater? I hope Cole Hardware survives, and I think they will, for 2 reasons. First, they provide a very different service than a Home Depot. And second, they are on Mission St, walking distance from much of the community they serve, while the Home Depot is a hilly walk of over a mile, in another neighborhood.
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Sat, March 8, 2008 - 12:51 AM<Wow,someone who does their homework... a rarity on tribe. Congrats on cutting through the BS and citing your sources. >
At the time the Home Depot was proposed it was to be one of their largest, and the main entrance was to be opposite Cortland Avenue. It was also to be mult-story and sprawl over 3 or 4 lots. What's happened in the meantime was obviously concessions HD made in order to get their permits through the planninc commission. I haven't followed the project since its initial stages, as I no longer live in the neighborhood.
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 1:13 PMAfter Goodman's closed, he bought Discount Builders in the inner Mission. He still owns the Goodman's in Marin. The way the thing was willed, the sister got the property and the brother got the stores.
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