New mini-traffic island: Eugenia/Coleridge

topic posted Tue, April 25, 2006 - 9:33 AM by 
Does anyone know what this is for? It looks like every truck will run over it.
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  • Re: New mini-traffic island: Eugenia/Coleridge

    Tue, April 25, 2006 - 10:29 AM
    I think the graffitti on it says "tax island."

    They are going up all over the place, I think for "traffic calming." If you run over a few of them, it will slow you down. Eugenia and Coleridge are too narrow to need an island for crossing pedestrians.

    I see more logic for the new island on Valencia by St. Luke's-- though the placement there maximizes the number of cars that will run over it, right where the southbound lane shifts to accommodate the bike lane..
    • Re: New mini-traffic island: Eugenia/Coleridge

      Tue, April 25, 2006 - 1:59 PM
      "I see more logic for the new island on Valencia by St. Luke's-- though the placement there maximizes the number of cars that will run over it, right where the southbound lane shifts to accommodate the bike lane.."


      The traffic calming project is something that has gone on for over 5 years, where intersections and streets were studied at length to see how it would be possible to slow down the cross-neighborhood traffic by people who don't live, shop or work in the area, but simply drive through it at high speeds.

      So, far from being some kind of capricious placement of barriers, every barrier was carefully thought out and planned with community input. There has been a traffic calming committee for almost a decade, and they reported their activities constantly to neighborhood groups such as the Northwest Bernal Alliance, the Precita Park neighborhood group, etc.

      Here's a link to the first major study, back in 2001: www.sfgov.org/site/dpt_page.asp
      • Re: New mini-traffic island: Eugenia/Coleridge

        Sat, May 20, 2006 - 10:13 AM
        David:

        The North West Bernal Alliance opposed the final solution of putting an island in the middle of this intersection and the planting of a single tree as did others in the neighborhood but it seems that the traffic calming folks at DPT had different ideas.

        How Tax Island came to be is a mystery and NWBA has requested that DPT provide information on the final process and how much the installation of TI cost the tax payers. At the DPT sponsored neighborhood meeting at Coleridge Park Homes folks requested that the money for this project be used for Mission St. but apparently money can't be moved so easily.

        It looks like DPT/DPW have plans to green Tax Island as well, so NWBA has requested when this is going to take place, with what materials and who is going to be responsible for the maintenance. Aside from the above concerns neighbors are also wondering if emergency vehicles aren't hindered by such a barrier.
    • Re: New mini-traffic island: Eugenia/Coleridge

      Sat, May 20, 2006 - 10:16 AM
      Do you mean Virginia and Coleridge?
      • Yes, the island is at Virginia and Coleridge.

        I was exiting my parked car just below that intersection, on Virginia, and was nearly hit by a car, which was swerving arond that island.

        That street is too narrow for an island-- and a painted line would have been sufficient. I agree that the money could have been better spent on improving Mission St.
        • Re: New mini-traffic island: Eugenia/Coleridge

          Mon, May 22, 2006 - 10:49 AM
          "I agree that the money could have been better spent on improving Mission St."

          When the original meetings were held, people complained about the fast drivers on the hill. The neighbors demanded something be done. One option was speed bumps, but they were considered a poor choice by the DPW for some reason. The traffic calmning islands were adopted instead, due to their success in Australia and elsewhere. Expect to see many more traffic islands.

          The traffic island thing is an interesting experiment to see if Americans are self-less enough to deal with them because using a traffic island (otherwise known as a roundabout) means that people have to take their turn driving through if there is more than one car present. This means that bossy, arrogant Americans will have to let others pass, something that used to be considered common courtesy, but that today is considered being a wimp.

          I think Americans will adapt.
          • Re: New mini-traffic island: Eugenia/Coleridge

            Mon, May 22, 2006 - 11:52 AM

            There's not really a roundabout there- no room for one. I'm familiar with the roundabouts in Boston. There is still a stop sign, so traffic has to slow to a stop, as it did before.

            When I was polled by the city about what to do about fast drivers on the hill, I requested a stop sign at Folsom and Stoneman St-- but was told that a stop sign there would not be considered. The city had their own ideas, and weren't really interested in the input they were soliciting from residents.
            • Re: New mini-traffic island: Eugenia/Coleridge

              Mon, May 22, 2006 - 12:52 PM
              Stop signs don't work very well. The more stop signs you put up the more people will ignore them because they become too commonplace. Everybody wants a stop sign, and at first the politicians were putting them in all over because that's how you get re-elected. But then accidents went up, not down. This was especially true in the Sunset district, so they eliminated most 4-way stops and the accidents went down.

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