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I'm pretty new to the neighborhood and have recently encountered The Good Life grocery. I want to shop there, really I do, it's just that many things are two or even three times more expensive than the Safeway down the hill which now has a lot of "organic products", or at least claims to.
Now, I want to support my community and everything, but I wish Good Life could have followed the model of Trader Joe's and gone the cheap generic route instead of the super-expensive "boutique" route.
Don't get me wrong, it's definitely the best market on the hill and the people are pretty friendly, but I just wish I didn't have to pay $10 for a pound of pecans, for example.
What does anyone else think? Over-priced or worth it? And do we really have a choice?
Now, I want to support my community and everything, but I wish Good Life could have followed the model of Trader Joe's and gone the cheap generic route instead of the super-expensive "boutique" route.
Don't get me wrong, it's definitely the best market on the hill and the people are pretty friendly, but I just wish I didn't have to pay $10 for a pound of pecans, for example.
What does anyone else think? Over-priced or worth it? And do we really have a choice?
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We do big shopping trips at TJ's once every week or two, and just top up with a few luxe items at Good Life when necessary. I'm glad they are there in a pinch, but would definitely not be able to totally sustain ourselves from their shelves.
(Also, I'm not so sure I would say the people working there are friendly. A few nice ones, but most of the younger clerks are kinda rude.) -
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We should have a campaign to get Trader Joe's to open up in the hood. Actually, a good place would be the corner of Mission and Cesar Chavez, in the 2 vacant contiguous buildings where the paint store and the Out of the Closet thrift store used to be. There's a parking lot on that property, too. Trader Joe's could get Mission, Bernal, and Noe folks to shop at that location. Anyone know how to contact Trader Joe's location scouts?
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Dan,
The developer of the old KM/Out of the closet site has signed on with Walgreen's as the anchor for the retail space. Mission Anti-displacement Coaltion and Mission Economic Development Association have appealed the neg dec and are requesting that the condos be 100% affordable (to be built by the BHNC) and that the retail space be dedicated to the San Francisco Day Labor Program.
I'd love to have a TJ's in Bernal or close by. I can't affort to do my weekly shopping at Good Life so I have to get in my car and drive to TJ's.
I would recommend that you stop by a TJ's and ask the personnel at the service desk for the contact for their real estate dept. Good luck!. Please keep me posted. I'd support a TJ's coming to our area if there was decent parking situation because all TJ's are car magnets as are most grocery stores. -
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<Mission Anti-displacement Coaltion and Mission Economic Development Association have appealed the neg dec and are requesting that the condos be 100% affordable (to be built by the BHNC) and that the retail space be dedicated to the San Francisco Day Labor Program.>
That's terrible. BHNC housing is good, or seems all right so far. But dedicating a storefront to another institution instead of retail is the death knell for a building. Look at the BHNC housing at the corner of Chavez and Mission, which the NWBA endorsed after being assured that it would be mixed use with storefronts. They went and put all instittutional stuff in the storefronts, so there is no community feeling there whatsoever. It's like a housing project!
As far as I'm concerned any new BHNC housing should include RETAIL storefronts such as what the developer at 29th and Mission put in (where Good Frickin' Chicken et al are) and the new building on Leticia's old lot on Powers and Mission where the new barber shop is. THIS is what a community is about -- neighbors and neighborhood businesses!
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By all means, let's get a Trader Joe's in the neighborhood! Chains stores are great, especially when they drive out a local business like Good Life that took a chance on Bernal Heights and helped turn the neighborhood around. Let's get a Starbucks while we're at it!
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Good Life is neither walkable nor accessible by public transportation (and has little parking for those with cars) for those of us in NW Bernal-- so its existence has no impact on my neighborhood. (And BTW, Good Life is a chain, too, though a very small one!)
The only other supermarket in walking distance is Safeway, which last I heard, was also a chain. Trader Joe's at Mission and C.C. would complement rather than compete with local produce stands, as Trader Joe's produce offerings are weak. A trip to TJ and a produce stand could replace a trip to Safeway, meaning less overall dollars to chains, if that matters.
Unfortunately, a Walgreens is going in to that location, so this debate is moot.
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<it's just that many things are two or even three times more expensive than the Safeway down the hill which now has a lot of "organic products", or at least claims to. >
In answer to your question, overpriced or what? No, it's not overpriced, since people pack that place to buy stuff there. As for me, I go to Rainbow when I want quality stuff of the sort Good Life sells, but at reasonable prices. But for its community (yupsters), Good Life knows its market well.
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I'm addicted to quality meat, which is not available at Safeway, or even at TJ's, and since I'm already at Good Life, I find it irresistable to pick up other stuff...
THEN I start comparing to other places like Whole Foods, which is even MORE expensive than Good Life, and a zoo on most days, though a kind of fun zoo...
I like some of the items in their deli, too.
It is depressing to get half a paper bag of groceries and have to pay like $50 or something for what you bought...
There's always the Farmer's Market on Alemeny on Saturday mornings for produce and even some fresh fish.
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Cost aside, you should focus on the other benefits of having a small but comprehensive grocery in your hood. Good Life has a lot to offer --alternative brands, fresh bread & bagels daily and a bulk bin section (where you can save money). Bundles of firewood! They've got Sushi chefs on site who will make you whatever you want if it's not already in the display. The beer and wine selection are excellent considering the size of the store. If you want quality and alternative choices, you will pay for it. I compare prices with Other Avenues (another health food store) and they are equal. The cost of produce varies greatly depending on what's fresh and in season. If you're paying too much for your strawberries or your avacoado, it's because those crops aren't in season and therefore need to be shipped from further. For a small "village" neighborhood, you have to truly appreciate the conveince of walking to GL. Unless you drive, you're going to have to wait on the 67 or the 24 to haul your ass to Slaveway or another store miles away where they give you ten zillion plastic bags. Good Life is just stumbling distance from Wild Side West and Skip's Tavern!
I guess most people want quantity instead of quality. And this isn't solely and economic issue. Are we really unable to pay more for food, or are we unwiling? How many people opt to pay a monthly cable and cell phone bill but can't afford quality food? The food you eat determines your health and well being, yet people make decisions based solely on price. With all due respect, I think most of us have adopted a backwards view on food and its costs. The stuff you buy at Safeway may seem cheap, but there are factors not immediately apparent in the sale of this kind of food. Non-organic produce is heavily subsidized and doesn't reflect the cost you pay later in taxes to fix the problems to your health and the environment (water pollution, food bourne illness, antibiotic resistance, oil subsidies....to name a few.).
If you factor in the time, the effects of gas usage, cost of gas and other negatives related to car usage, it makes more sense to shop local. Granted, the selection of Good Life isn't as great as larger stores, but to be fair, it's simply limited by its size. It's still a pretty good one-stop shop for an array of items, with a spectacular deli. My advice for those who seeking savings is to stock up on good produce at the Alamany Flea Market, and get the rest at GL.
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>Now, I want to support my community and everything, but I wish Good Life could have followed the model of Trader Joe's and gone the cheap >generic route instead of the super-expensive "boutique" route.
My understanding is that this isn't really a "choice" for a local market. Trader Joes has the ability to pick and choose distribution channels and suppliers. We're not talking Wal~Mart influence, but it has some say. Good Life is just a local market that has to deal with a lot more overhead and much smaller volume to spread that overhead around. I don't think they're price gouging at Good Life, they're just providing a quality product and I think they're worth supporting.
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My understanding is that this isn't really a "choice" for a local market. Trader Joes has the ability to pick and choose distribution channels and suppliers. We're not talking Wal~Mart influence, but it has some say.>
Walmart is called a "category killer" in industry parlance because it wrecks other companies in the same business. Walmart almost put Safeway out of business not long ago. This is why Safeway has been spending so much money putting in wooden floors in their produce department and otherwise trying to make their stores look more upscale. Safeway is upscaling itself. They are forced to do so in order to stay in business. Walmart is taking all the low-end customers that Safeway served through its entire history.
Now, the boutique stores such as Good Life have even more of a problem because they already play to a specialized market where economies of scale don't work as well, and even some of those customers are being eroded by Walmart and Trader Joe's. An example: bottled water has a high markup that makes it possible to sell things like produce, which has a tiny markup. But then people start buying their bottled water at Walmart instead of at Good Life, and there goes the profit margin that was propping up the produce. That's how these things work, unfortunately.
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Good insights from David & another poster re the realities small stores face: if you know anything about the Good Life's owners you'd know they're hardly "choosing" to be "boutique." I don't want to shop *only* at chain stores, Safeway & "TJs" & the like, when I can also help keep alive a local business offering organic produce, fresh bread & bagels, good meat & fish, reasonable wines etc. Good Life is owned & operated by a local family who treats their employees well and has given back to this community for over thirty years. And they have damn good prices on kitty litter!
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Hey Matt
You live in a rich neighborhood bubba...so if you want to walk to the grocers you gotta go with the flow
Why don't u go to the Rainbow General Store on Folsom near Best Buy and Office Max
They have fabulous veges and fruit (not to mention cheest) (it's a vegan grocery store) and they're a coop so all the money they make goes to the workers after expenses. I buy my nuts there and nuts are pretty expensive...10.99 for organic walnuts
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i really do try to support local businesses but i echo the sentiment that good life's prices put it in the category of boutique as it can only be affordable to those with disposable income. glad they have a good reputation in town and if they can be successful only catering to yuppies, more power to them. i have no complaints.
but there are many non-yuppies in the bernal heights area. we cannot afford to shop there. i love trader joe's bc i get a deal, but i don't really know if they are good to their employees or whether they choose fair trade organic as much as they can. the employees always seem very cheerful when i go and are very helpful unlike anywhere else i've been, including good life.
i understand the profit margin is very slim for all grocery stores so glad for any little guys who can survive against the onslaught of corporate soul suckers who only introduce organic when they absolutely have to. anyone seen this essay on safeway; it's pretty funny.
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
i'm going to start volunteering at alemany farmers market.
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good column - i love mark morford, he's hilarious.
in the defense of safeway though (i can barely believe i'm defending safeway!), they have recently revamped most of their stores in SF to include less toxic-feeling lighting and decor, and their selection of natural and organic foods is infinitely better than it used to be. however, i do still tend to avoid it most of the time and hit TJ's much more frequently. and for us good life is a splurge shop, not a regular grocery run.
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It is a bit overpriced - but the convenience factor outweighs a few bucks for me . I can ride the bus home (BTW -ity is comepletly accessible by the #24 which stops at the door, and the #67 which stops at folsom) and pick up organic veggies, fresh bread, cheese and a bootle of wine (decent wine for under$10!). Not to mention herbs and not-easy-to-find ingredients. My partner lives in Hayes Valley and you can't shop for ffod there - you have to eat out. I'd rather have The GL then some over priced psuedo 'health food store'/corner store any day.
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Totally overpriced , but I go there anyway.
Although today its trader joes for me.
A good steak at Good Life costs more than one in a restaurant.
A lemmon $1.44 a piece. Sheesh.
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WE INTERRUPT THIS PROGRAM FOR A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
Do *NOT* buy the 2001 Louis Bernard Cotes-Du-Rhone wine Good Life has on special for $5.99 in stacks throughout the store... it is teh suck. You may think (as I did) "hmmm, the label doesn't look too garish, it's a French wine, and $5.99 is a great price, I think I'll try it!" and then you will be sad, so very sad. My wife spit her sip out into the sink, it's that bad.
WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING
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