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I ran across your Tribe b/c of the discussion of possible development of Bernal Heights Park. I don't know if the plan to close the portion of Bernal Heights Boulevard west of Andover (the area park-goers use to access the park) is a step toward that (I certainly hope not).
At any rate, there is rally Saturday February 11 at 11 a.m. to protest the permanent closure of this parking area (without it there is no way to safely park, disembark, and enter Bernal Hill Park). The rally is being put on by a large group of Bernal neighbors. We're also concerned about the lack of representation of (and communication with) residents of Bernal Hill about what the City is planning to do with our park!!
Please join us on Saturday February 11 at 11 am to show your concern for safe access to Bernal Heights Park.
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Fri, February 10, 2006 - 9:49 AMIn today's Examiner:
www.sfexaminer.com/articles...1_ach.txt
Bernal group protests parks department plan
The Bernal Heights Park Association will hold a rally tomorrow to oppose a city plan to limit access at Bernal Hill. As part of an open-space restoration effort being conducted by the Recreation and Park Department, The City will soon close off access to a parking area at the top of the hill. The march against the plan will begin at 11 a.m. Saturday, in the parking area at the west end of Bernal Heights Boulevard. Participants will march by the home of Supervisor Tom Ammiano, who supports the plan, according to the association’s press release. -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Fri, February 10, 2006 - 5:11 PMMy understanding is that it's not a ban on parking, but a reclamation of space that has been used as a parking for about five or six cars in the past. It may be part of a planned renovation/improvement/beautification of the park that's been in the planning stages for a couple of years.
The entire park seems to be relatively inaccessable to those with limited mobility. The park is a giant hill with little road running around the base. -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Fri, February 10, 2006 - 5:12 PMHmm..the above should have been a response to Dan's point below. Tribe threaded it incorrectly.
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Fri, February 10, 2006 - 3:12 PMI don't get it. Why don't you just park your car somewhere else and walk to the park? I don't see why a park would need a parking lot. -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Fri, February 10, 2006 - 3:28 PMWhen I go to the park I walk from home, and it seems like most Bernal residents could do the same.
One group that might benefit from having parking at the park are those with disabilities and limited mobility.
What we're missing here is the rationale for the parking ban. Anyone know why this is beng proposed?
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sun, February 12, 2006 - 2:36 PMI'm with Brian. It's a park! If you live in Bernal Heights, walk there. Even if they move the gate and get rid of a few parking spaces, there will still be plenty of safe parking between the gate and Ellsworth Street for people with "limited mobility".
Fewer cars is a good thing, in my opinion. More park, less parking lot! This protest seems like a lot of energy wasted on such a trivial matter. -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sun, February 12, 2006 - 3:37 PM
Actually, it's one of the best parks for people limited mobility because of the paved road that runs through it. It sounds like you haven't been up there in a while, or on a sunny day when people strollers are out.
Do you live on the north side or the south side? -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sun, February 12, 2006 - 4:49 PMI walked there just yesterday in fact -- a beautiful sunny day. Saw lots of joggers and people walking their dogs. I also saw that with the gate move, a handicapped parking spot will be added.
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sun, February 12, 2006 - 5:48 PMI'm in the park several times a month.
I live on the base of the hill on the north side (Peralta Heights is the old name, I think). This is unfortunate, since it seems like people are trying to characterize this debate as "north slope vs south slope". I'm pretty sure I'd be of the same opinion if I lived on the south slope. But it's hard to tell for certain.
I still don't see the limited mobility argument. Sure. There's a paved road, but I can list any number of parks with paved roads running through them, Precita Park. Golden Gate Park. Holly Park. Twin Peaks. In fact, I'm having a hard time coming up with a park that doesn't have a paved road running through it. And even so, there are still parking spots available along the paved road. -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sun, February 12, 2006 - 6:31 PMI live on the south side (between Eugenia and Bernal Heights Boulevard), and I'm for the expansion of the park, if that makes any difference. -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sun, February 12, 2006 - 7:19 PMI live on the south side.
Ride my bike everyday through dog shit hill.
I see, everyday, people parking and letting 2 to 10 dogs out of there cars and minitrucks with backs and wire mesh. There is pleanty of parking on the approach street. There is some traffic but hardly any. But so what.
The area near the parking lot is just a bunch of rocks and tired old dried out weeds.
I can imagine the parking lot looking the same once it is removed. So what again.
I don't mind the Lot neither its demise, as long as people were givin a chance to voice their opinions about the plan.
Oh and now I need to finda a new pet name for dog shit hill. Pardon the pun. Wuf, heh ha
Because those dog people have been cleaning up after their dogs real good.
Where it used to just reek of dig shit, I now can't smell nor see any.
WAY TO GO DOG PEOPLE! YAY!
I love seein ya all hangin out when I ride by.
Never been attacked by a dog yet either.
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Fri, February 17, 2006 - 12:55 AMAnything that will lessen the number of people pulling up in their trucks and letting out a bunch of dogs to run around is okay with me. If these people are serious about walking their dogs, they'll walk them into the park, not let them loose to chase other dogs and people. -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Fri, March 3, 2006 - 10:48 AMAs a Bernal resident who walks to the park regularly, I am fine with the proposed changes. I live on a narrow street that will supposedly be affected by the lack of parking and it doesn't bother me at all. It's the city! Have you seen Dolores Park on the weekends? We'll deal.
I see a lot of dog owners getting into cars parked on the Hill and I've always assumed these people do not live in the neighborhood. They're trying to make it a neighborhood issue for those of us who live here and it's not. I think it's a stretch to say that traffic will increase or that somehow this is potential for danger.
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sat, April 1, 2006 - 5:48 AMCouldn't agree more. I've watched the attempts to whip this into a bigger, more contentious issue with a combination of bemusement and anger. I live on the South Slope. I use the park all the time with and without my dogs and kids, and I think moving the gate is just fine.
I might feel differently if I had a driveway onto Bernal Heights Blvd and/or if I needed close access to make large deliveries for renovation work or whatever. But then it still wouldn't be a neighborhood, due process, or human rights issue.
It's pretty sad to see energy, resources, etc. expended on this. So many other things and so many other people need our attention in Bernal and beyond. -
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Keep A Movin Dawgs
Sat, April 1, 2006 - 8:33 AMWell I'm glad they're fixing up the park.
It's been 3 weeks now and they haven't done shit.
There is a rent a chain link fence up there that is being paid for.
There is a couple of piles of dirt.
But nothing is being done.
I can't help but think the entire job should be done already.
I mean sheesh its only about 400 SQ feet.
Who is in charge of the effort anyway.
Talk about mis-managed, lazy, burocratic bungling.
They should let some neighbors get together and do it for free, at least there will be some artistic content. Who ever is in charge of the project should be put on this link and harrassed until they either get someone else to do it or get busy.
KEEP A MOVIN DAWG
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Fri, February 10, 2006 - 5:35 PMIf this is part of a plan to improve the park or something I'd like to know more before I get my panties all tied in a knot. Oh.. and yippy I can look forward to a protest march in front of my house saturday. I live two doors down from Tommy. -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Fri, February 10, 2006 - 7:10 PM
yes, if you live down the street from the park you can walk up to the park. The need for the parking area is safety -- primarily for people who need a flat low-traffic area to get out of the car (disabled, unloading small children, unloading elderly grandparents visiting the city) etc.
The other reason to not park down the street and walk up is because north bernal is full of tiny narrow streets w/very limited parking.
To my knowledge, the closure of the street was never noticed on any park improvement mailers, flyers, presentations etc (although there has been an ongoing publicly noticed capital improvement process the closure of the street was not mentioned in the materials for that -- at least it wasn't on the mailers I received).
See you Saturday. -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sat, February 11, 2006 - 12:29 AMI distinctly remember walking around the park several months ago and seeing flyers all over the place notifying residents about that street being closed up. There were public notices on every telephone pole within several blocks of the area in question.
Yes, parking is limited in Bernal Heights, but the area in question only fits five or six cars. Are you guys really getting yourselves in a tizzy over five parking spots, most of which seem to be empty most of the time anyway? I'm sorry. This just seems needlesly obstructionist. I don't get it at all. I agree with what Ammiano said (which happens to echo what I said earlier in this thread). You guys are asking for a parking lot in a park.
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sat, February 11, 2006 - 6:39 AM
Just a few factual corrections:
The recent (last 6 months) notices were to say that it was a done deal -- they had already decided to close the street. The people who live on the street didn't even know it was being closed, and they were told there was nothing they could do.
The area fits 15 cars. During the day it is usually full.
I'm sad that you and Tom want to limit access to the park and put people who do visit the park out into traffic. And you say we are obstructionist!
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sun, February 12, 2006 - 11:45 AMInteresting. Your experience contradicts mine.
I seem to remember the public notices asking for community input and providing information about a hearing, but I won't say that for sure.
I don't think I have ever seen the lot full. However, since I'm usually walking, it's not something I'm attuned to, so perhaps I haven't noticed.
I have never seen an elderly or a disabled person in the park. I believe that much of Bernal Hill is to a large extent inherently inaccesible.
This is just my experience.
I will send email to Tom in support of the already approved plan.
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Sun, February 12, 2006 - 11:46 AMInteresting. Your experience contradicts mine.
I seem to remember the public notices asking for community input and providing information about a hearing, but I won't say that for sure.
I don't think I have ever seen the lot full. However, since I'm usually walking, it's not something I'm attuned to, so perhaps I haven't noticed.
I have never seen an elderly or a disabled person in the park. I believe that much of Bernal Hill is to a large extent inherently inaccesible.
This is just my experience.
I will send email to Tom in support of the already approved plan.
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Wed, April 5, 2006 - 1:12 AMPlease protest for me. I grew up on Bernal 1976 - 1993. That park was my playground, my imaginary universe...whatever you can do to sound your voice and opinion. I live in Sac but I'll be visiting my old neighborhood for my mom's 66th Birthday this weekend. Keep us updated. Thanks for the info! -
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Re: Permanent Closure of Bernal Heights Boulevard
Mon, April 10, 2006 - 10:23 PM"Please protest for me. I grew up on Bernal 1976 - 1993. That park was my playground, my imaginary universe..."
I'm confused why you feel that the park will be closed. The *road* will be closed to vehicles, thus there won't be hundreds of dogs driven up to the park by their lazy owners. Only the neighborhood dogs will be running around the park.
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A Cluster Fuck
Thu, April 27, 2006 - 4:51 PMSo, I saw some duded pouring concrete up on the hill for a foundation in the fensed off spot they are fixing up.
Now that was the shabiest concrete pour job I have ever seen. There are clumps of concrete raised up 1/2 a foot were they poured in the concrete ans didn't even bother to smooth it out at all.
They did not use any wood forms so there was nothing to level the conrete to. The foundation ranged from 3 feet wide in some places to 6 inches wide and 3 inches deep in others.
So we've got a bunch of dudes who obviously don't give a damn about their job and are getting paid by someone. Who is in charge up ther anyhow.
There is no loveing care being put inot the job.
What a waste.
I'm sick and tired of getting ripped off.
I'd love to know who is paying the checks. They probably don't care either or they would take a look at the place now and then.
They should all be fired and have some people from the neiborhood volunteer they're time on weekends. There could be a pot luck barbeque after work each day. It could be fun and we would end up with some artistic content on the hill. As it is now its just a cluster fuck.
Sickening.
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Re: A Cluster Fuck
Thu, April 27, 2006 - 6:17 PMThese lame ass workers might be non city employees. Just independant contractors hired for this project. The city has cut way back on the number of carpenters and other tradesmen they employ directly instead hirering private companies to do necessary work. The city guys were usually slow as mollasses (milkers) but most of the time came out of union apprenticeships and knew what they were doing. The city has very few people to check up on performance and quality regarding contracts so shit like this happens all the time. -
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Re: A Cluster Fuck
Fri, April 28, 2006 - 4:21 PM"The city has cut way back on the number of carpenters and other tradesmen they employ directly instead hirering private companies to do necessary work."
Indeed, in this Republican move to "privatize" everything, cities, counties, states, and the feds are farming out every job they can, so they don't have to pay qualified people to do the work. Then when it comes back on them, the city says, "Hey, it wasn't our employees, it was a contractor. Take it up with them."
If you think this is bad, just Google some articles on privatized prisons.
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Re: A Cluster Fuck
Mon, May 8, 2006 - 7:08 PMYea its just like the damn CEO's trying to make a buck by outsourcing our jobs overseas.
A friend of mine worked on a software platform for a networked radio. He was shifted to a new job and the rest of his team was layed off and the rest of the softeware was outsourced to india. The 6 months later his boss has him take a trip to a techno show in india. What does he see? He sees a networked radio being sold by some indian company in india. He reconizes his interface that he wrote and say's hey this is our software. The new conpany says it is not. So he goes up and types a password he used while trouble-shooting his stufd last year. And BLAM his name appears on the screen.
These Know Fuck ALL CEO's of our comapnies are giving their shit away in hopes of saving some bucks and get ripped off.
In China they copied an etire company. NEC, the copied the business cards a product line everything. Sheesh.
Another friend of mine found out that all of a sudden their product line was in competition with a new chinese company., At closer inspection it WAS their product line. The chinese manufactureer had copied the whole product and sold it for 3/4 of the price and priced them out of the market.
Be careful with your stuff dudes.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the chinese or indians. But there are rip offs every where. And these CEO's of ours have no street smarts and their lawyers can't do much in a foreign country. STUPID Short sighted people.
Hey I think I'll hire that homeless dude to remodel my house. He said he'd do it for 1/2 the price.
Good deal. And I don't have to pay this over priced american contractor dude.
Yea those guy's pouring the foundation looked like homeless dudes to me.
Shufflin around all lazy like.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't have nothin out for the homeless dudes.
See that guy going down courtland at about 30 miles an hour with an overflowing shaopping cart of bottles. Now that's talent.
Its time for everyone to re-group.
Account and be accountable.
Smaller tribes of people who actually know each other might be the way to go.
Yea no company bigger than 50 people allowed.
Franchise this buddy.
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