Nervous Dog Cafe

topic posted Tue, November 15, 2005 - 7:12 PM by  Drinks with
they opened a couple of weeks ago...they're on Kingston & Mission (one block north of Cortland), and they rawk.

Great coffee, teas, setting and it's 1/2 block from my place, which is the added bonus.
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  • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

    Tue, November 15, 2005 - 7:41 PM
    yea I saw it the other day when I voted. been thinking of bring my sisters chihuahua there and seeing if they needed anymore nervous dogs.
    • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

      Tue, November 15, 2005 - 8:06 PM
      It's good but it's VERY expensive though. $3.00 for the smallest of mochas. ouch.
      • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

        Thu, November 17, 2005 - 4:11 PM
        Probably one of those owners who feels they're going to get rich quick in the cafe business. Now I have no desire to even try the place out.
        • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

          Mon, November 28, 2005 - 5:15 PM
          Actually, I spoke to the owners when I was in there, and they seem pretty nice. They were dicked around a lot by the city (inspections, licenses, etc...), so they may be trying to recoup some of those losses.

          I hope they bring their prices down, because they do seem like genuinely nice, neighborhood folks that I would like to support, but their prices are just whacky relative to P Grounds.
          • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

            Mon, November 28, 2005 - 11:26 PM
            "They were dicked around a lot by the city (inspections, licenses, etc...), so they may be trying to recoup some of those losses."

            Anybody with experience in business in SF (and someone should not open a business unless they've had some experience managing an existing one) would know that there are permits, inspections, licenses, etc. involved in opening a cafe. DUH.

            To try to recoup those expenses by jacking up prices upon opening is just dumb. I've been in the restaurant/bar business, so I'm well aware of how this kind of business works.

            If these people have to jack up prices to cover their costs, they are undercapitalized and will probably fold in short order. You simply don't open a business such as a cafe without expecting to lose money for a year.


            • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

              Wed, November 30, 2005 - 3:05 PM
              Might I suggest actually going in and speaking to them before forming opinions about people and their business skills based on a few postings here?

              I never said they didn't realize that they had to get permits etc...I said they were dicked around in the process. That's all.

              Look, I'm not really nearly as interested in defending them as you seem to be in trashing them. Just go talk to them..You might like them, you might not. I don't care either way, but I don't think it's fair to trash a new Bernal business here in tribe without even going in.

              If you have been there, my apologies. You have more experience in this area than I do and I would like to know your thoughts once you've been there.
              • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

                Thu, December 1, 2005 - 12:14 PM
                "If you have been there"


                I stopped in there, and while they're nice enough, nothing has really struck me as unusual or different or warranting the prices. Will they succeed? Well, frankly, there are a large number of coffeehouses within 10 blocks. I guess I have a problem with places opening that are just a little too generic for my tastes. They may as well be chains. That's how I feel on this particular place. Much as I like Muddy Waters, I think Hisham also made a mistake opening his newest place on 29th and Tiffany. His other places have character, his newest feels generic and sterile.


            • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

              Fri, December 2, 2005 - 3:09 PM
              Once again, you have outsmarted all of us.
              • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

                Fri, December 2, 2005 - 5:22 PM
                David is never ever ever wrong. He is infallible, like some Bernal version of the Pope, so don't even bother disagreeing. It's kinda frightening, I just hope he has a sense of humor... somewhere.
                • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

                  Sat, December 3, 2005 - 5:35 PM
                  "David is never ever ever wrong. He is infallible, like some Bernal version of the Pope"


                  What can I say? I get around. I know a ton of people, I visit a bunch of businesses, and I was in the food & beverage business myself. I know at least a little about food costs, rents, insurance, and other matters, having owned businesses of various kinds in the past. I also do things like book shows (formerly at the Odeon, now at the Stork in Oakland, I run a games group, SF Games, now in its 11th year, and I've done other stuff as well that directly relates to coffeehouse and bar venues. Sorry if I have some experience under my belt.

                  Interesting note: When I use the image of one of my hats on Tribe, I don't get nearly the bad reaction I get when I use my face. Maybe I should go back to the hats again.
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                    Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

                    Fri, December 16, 2005 - 12:35 PM
                    Or maybe you should just try being a little less sanctimonious when you respond. Your responses strike a lot of people as being obnoxious and holier-than-thou. It's nice that you have a lot of cred and props and are active and involved; it doesn't give you licence to talk down to the rest of us, which is how you frequently come across.

                    If a bunch of people don't like you, the commonality there is you.
                    • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

                      Fri, December 16, 2005 - 3:29 PM
                      And what does this have to do with the Nervous Dog Cafe?

                      Yes, people don't like me. I'm not here to be friends with anyone. For friendships there is real life. I'm here only to exchange information, learn some and give some. Please don't confuse the Internet with real life.

                      And what does this have to do with the Nervous Dog Cafe?
                      • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

                        Fri, September 14, 2007 - 4:47 PM
                        Wow...the irony.

                        I was about to say you completely ignore the intangibles of any small business, and there you go demonstrating the value of good people-skills and human interaction.

                        "Please don't confuse the Internet with real life. "

                        At the risk of sounding like you, I had my first email address 25 years ago. Yes, TWENTY-FIVE. The internet is just another venue for communcation with other human beings. Are you different speaking to another person on the telephone than you are in person? If so, don't ever call people.

                        If you're willing to ditch respect for other people or take into consideration that other people have opinions which may be different to yours, then you should expect the same response on the internet as you would on the phone, in a letter or in person: that you're a jerk whose content of character detracts from the content of your communication.

                        As for what this has to do with Nervous Dog? Joe is a helluva nice guy. Joe makes every attempt to get to know people's names. I hadn't finished a latté there once because it was the 2nd one I'd had that day and I was already over caffeinated and the *next* time I went into the cafe (which was a few days later), Joe asked me if there'd been something wrong with that last latté I'd had, ostensibly with the goal of making the situation right for me.

                        If a drink at a place like that from a guy like Joe costs 50 cents more than somewhere else (I haven't noticed it being more or less expensive than anywhere else), it's easily worth it.

                        I never thought I'd find another cafe where I felt as good as I did when I went to Cafe Commons, but Joe's well on his way to making me believe.

                        if you don't get what I'm saying, I just kinda feel bad for you.
                        • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

                          Mon, September 17, 2007 - 1:54 AM
                          <Are you different speaking to another person on the telephone than you are in person?>

                          Yes, we all are. People often say things on the phone that are way more intimate than they'd say in person. Back in the days when people wrote letters they wrote differently than they spoke, too. Likewise, people often post things on forums and on Usenet that are different and have less finesse than the way they'd speak in person. Different media beget different ways of communicating.

                          Now, back to the Nervous Dog, when the original post appeared about 2 years ago, the poster said that the prices were "wacky", that is, much higher than one would get at Progressive Grounds or at Cafe Commons. It was also stated that the cafe owner was "dicked around" by the city for permits, etc.

                          As the former owner of a restaurant and nightclub, I was simply agreeing with the fact that the prices were higher than surrounding cafes. I also added that a cafe owner has to be prepared for the unforeseen circumstances of such things as getting dicked around by the bureaucracy. This happens all the time with nearly every kind of business. An owner, if they are going to succeed, must build in a cushion of capital to make sure they don't run out.

                          This is all I was saying. Why people jumped on me 2 years ago for this and why you jumped on my 2 days ago for this is beyond my comprehension. I was simply stating how things are, based on my experience in the food and beverage business.
                          • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

                            Tue, September 18, 2007 - 10:22 AM
                            If anything, people are MORE polite on the phone and in letters, especially when they don't know someone.

                            No matter the changes in media, people are still people. There are just some who take advantage of being able to avoid all consequences of being an ass, so they are stridently indecorous.
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                              Tue, September 18, 2007 - 6:51 PM
                              <If anything, people are MORE polite on the phone and in letters, especially when they don't know someone. >

                              You have never done call center work, have you? I used to own a telephone call center (Pacific Answering, which became Proxy Message Centers), and I can tell you that sometimes we'd have phone operators setting down their headsets and walking away in tears the way they were treated by callers. People would yell, curse, give attitude, say creepy things they thought were seductive. Sure, there were good callers, too, obviously, but there were a lot of people who have no business possessing a telephone.

  • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

    Mon, November 28, 2005 - 4:40 PM
    i've noticed that place for awhile, but haven't been by it when it opened. i'm glad it works for you, tony. i'm closer to progressive grounds, but wouldn't mind checking out a new business.
    • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

      Sat, September 22, 2007 - 12:56 PM
      i love progressive grounds and the owners....very cool guys.

      my feng shui was totally fucked up when they took my favorite window seat and put in those two internet connection desks...i would've put those in the back room.

      but the balcony is still great as well as their sandwiches and salads....that's for reminding me to shake it up a bit and get my ass that way.
      • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

        Sun, September 23, 2007 - 5:02 PM
        <my feng shui was totally fucked up when they took my favorite window seat and put in those two internet connection desks...i would've put those in the back room.>

        Much as I like to do Internet stuff while I'm at Prog, I think it's probably enough to just have the wireless available. I agree that the desks interfere with the feeling of the place. I wouldn't think they'd make enough on desk fees to make it worth it; but maybe I'm wrong.
  • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

    Fri, September 14, 2007 - 10:22 PM
    just the name! not very atractive///
    • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

      Tue, September 18, 2007 - 10:23 AM
      The name comes from a New Yorker (I think!) cartoon where a small black dog is standing on a kitchen stool making coffee, and the caption reads "How Nervous Little Dogs start their Day".
      • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

        Tue, September 18, 2007 - 6:02 PM
        The cartoon you mentioned and the namesake of the Nervous Dog Cafe originates from Gary Larson's Far Side series.

        www.saidbak.dk/images/nervous_dogs.gif

        It's one of my favorites too... my sister owns a chihuahua.

        And I agree if we want to communicate effectively in print we need to be aware of tone and general politeness. No one can see us shrug our shoulders, smile sheepishly or hear the softening of speech when they read an email. i guess that is what emoticons are for. Too bad they make me feel like a 13 yr old girl when I use them : )
  • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

    Sat, September 22, 2007 - 2:30 PM
    Speaking of new coffeehouses, has anyone tried Socha, the new cafe/bakery on Mission St, near the Knockout?
    • Re: Nervous Dog Cafe

      Sun, September 23, 2007 - 2:16 PM
      i'll pop down there tomorrow...i'm assuming their opening hours are coffeehouse and not restaurant hours?

      if i remember right, the owners who ran the cuban style cafe there for a few months had funky hours....and were out of business pretty quick.

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